JPEG XL Test Page

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127 points | by roywashere 4 hours ago

28 comments

  • senfiaj 20 minutes ago
    Starting from v145 Chrome supports JXL.

    There is also an extension for this: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/jpeg-xl-viewer/bkhd...

  • unglaublich 3 hours ago
    I think JPEG XL's naming was unfortunate. People want to associate new image formats with leanness, lightness, efficiency.
    • fleabitdev 2 hours ago
      There was a constraint - since 2009, the Joint Photographic Experts Group had published JPEG XR, JPEG XT and JPEG XS, and they were probably reluctant to break that naming scheme.

      They're running out of good options, but I hope they stick with it long enough to release "JPEG XP" :-)

      • jonsneyers 1 hour ago
        JPEG XP would have been a nice name for a successor of JPEG 2000, I suppose :)

        There's also a JPEG XE now (https://jpeg.org/jpegxe/index.html), by the way.

      • spider-mario 1 hour ago
        Incidentally, JPEG Vista would be thematically appropriate.
      • lencastre 30 minutes ago
        JPEG ME
      • nocman 2 hours ago
        Good one - made me and a coworker both LOL (in the literal sense) :D
    • snowram 3 hours ago
      Considering "jpeg" has become the shorthand for "digital picture", it would be a shame not to capitalise on it.
      • flexagoon 3 hours ago
        I feel like "jpeg" has generally become a shorthand for "low quality compressed digital picture"
        • benbristow 33 minutes ago
          In the photography world it's shorthand for "photo unedited straight from the camera". Popular with Fujifilm cameras especially due to their 'film simulation' modes which apply basically a filter to the image.
          • doubletwoyou 2 minutes ago
            Not really? Unedited would be some sort of raw. JPEG usually implies preprocessed by the camera
        • goda90 3 hours ago
          Hence the meme response "Needs more jpeg" https://old.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2ct3ax/e...
        • dylan604 1 hour ago
          I feel like you need to find better places on the internet. It's no longer 1997 downloading from dial up.
          • notatoad 1 hour ago
            What makes jpeg compression bad isn’t low bandwidth. It’s really good at compressing an image for that.

            What makes jpeg bad is that the compression artifacts multiply when a jpeg gets screen captured and then re-encoded as a jpeg, or automatically resized and recompressed by a social media platform. And that definitely isn’t a problem that has gone away since dialup, people do that more than ever.

        • bigbuppo 1 hour ago
          Nah, that's WEBP, the most hated file format.
        • dgan 3 hours ago
          "diJital PEGchure"
          • dlcarrier 3 hours ago
            Is it pronounced jay-peg or gee-peg?
      • zamadatix 3 hours ago
        JPEG XS :D
    • F3nd0 1 hour ago
      It seems to me this point of discussion always tends to get way too much focus. Should it really raise concern?

      Of all the people who interact with image formats in some way, how many do even know what an image format is? How many even notice they’ve got different names? How many even give them any consideration? And out of those, how many are immediately going to think JPEG XL must be big, heavy and inefficient? And out of those, how many are going to stop there without considering that maybe the new image format could actually be pretty good? Sure, there might be some, but I really don’t think it’s a fraction of a significant size.

      Moreover, how many people in said fraction are going to remember the name (and thus perhaps the format) far more easily by remembering it’s got such a stupid name?

    • bobmcnamara 3 hours ago
      I found it unfortunate because it's not a JPEG.
      • Dwedit 3 hours ago
        It has an operation mode where it can losslessly and reversibly compress a JPEG further, and "not a jpeg" wouldn't cover that.
        • dragonwriter 1 hour ago
          JPEG XL is the thing that makes your JPEG smaller?
    • OscarTheGrinch 3 hours ago
      Crappy as a .jpg, only bigger.

      Actually, I remember when JPEG XL came out, and I just thought: cool, file that one away for when I have a really big image I need to display. Which turned out to be never.

      Names have consequences.

      • crazygringo 2 hours ago
        > Crappy as a .jpg, only bigger.

        Honestly, that's exactly what it sounds like to me too. I know it's not, but it's still what it sounds like. And it's just way too many letters total. When we have "giff" and "ping" as one-syllable names, "jay-peg-ex-ell" is unfortunate.

        Really should have been an entirely new name, rather than extending what is already an ugly acronym.

        • NekkoDroid 1 hour ago
          I always have called it PNG pee-en-ji, and JPEG XL for me has p much all the time been jay-x-el.
        • sillysaurusx 1 hour ago
          I’ll never not say pee-en-gee. You’re right though.
    • edflsafoiewq 1 hour ago
      Just call it JXL.
      • ziml77 1 hour ago
        Pronounced jixel?
        • spider-mario 1 hour ago
          Pronounced like French « j’excelle » (I excel).

          (Kidding.)

          • ziml77 25 minutes ago
            Kidding? But I actually kinda like it!
        • greenavocado 1 hour ago
          Yes, and JAY EXCEL for the savages like me
    • DominoTree 57 minutes ago
      JPEG 15 Pro Max
    • bigbuppo 1 hour ago
      And yet WEBP decided to associate itself with urine, which google then forced on everyone using their monopoly power.
    • catskull 3 hours ago
      μJPEG
    • formerly_proven 2 hours ago
      Nobody can keep you from forking the spec and calling yours JPEG SM.
    • Almondsetat 3 hours ago
      Do you have anything to back this up?
  • numbers 1 hour ago
    I'm seeing the image on zen which is a firefox fork but not on firefox itself :/

    even with `image.jxl.enabled` I don't see it on firefox

    • capitainenemo 1 hour ago
      Checking the Firefox bugs on this, it seems they decided to replace the C++ libjxl with a rust version which is a WIP, to address security concerns with the implementation. All this started a few months ago.

      Maybe the zen fork is a bit older and still using the C++ one?

  • p_ing 4 hours ago
    Orion, and presumably other Webkit-based browsers that are actually up-to-date, can also see the image.

    Hopefully my photo processor will accept JPEG XL in the near future!

    • nine_k 3 hours ago
      Chromium 143 (the latest available in Void Linux, a rolling-release distro) still can't.

      The chrome://flags/#enable-jxl-image-format is not even found in the build :(

    • RicoElectrico 3 hours ago
      > Hopefully my photo processor will accept JPEG XL in the near future!

      Aren't print shops, machining shops, other small manufacturers etc. ones that always lag behind with emerging technologies?

      • p_ing 1 hour ago
        Yes, because those systems cost gobs of money. You don't replace them just for the hot new thing.
  • jiggawatts 11 minutes ago
    Support is not a boolean.

    A proper test page should have HDR images, images testing if 10-bit gradients are posterised to 8-bit or displayed smoothly, etc...

    iOS for example can show a JPEG XL image, but can't forward it in iMessage to someone else.

  • davidhyde 3 hours ago
    Works with Waterfox on macOS but curiously not Firefox. I wonder if their search deal with Google included keeping the image.jxl.enabled setting off.
    • F3nd0 2 hours ago
      That’s an interesting speculation, but I’m inclined to believe their official reasoning. (That being they just didn’t really care about the format and/or went with whatever Chrome said at first. A year or so later they changed their mind and said they wanted an implementation in a memory-safe language, which prompted the JXL team to work on it.)
    • quaintdev 3 hours ago
      Works on Zen as well.
  • bigbuppo 4 hours ago
    Looks like the sort of person that would create a superior image file format.
  • uyzstvqs 3 hours ago
    JPEG XL is also good, but why not use AVIF? It's widely supported by browsers, and rivals JPEG XL in being the best lossy image format.
    • judah 2 hours ago
      Jake Archibald has an excellent post about progressive image rendering, including some metrics on JPEG XL compared to AVIF[0].

      > "I was also surprised to see that, in Safari, JPEG XL takes 150% longer (as in 2.5x) to decode vs an equivalent AVIF. That's 17ms longer on my M4 Pro. Apple hardware tends to be high-end, but this could still be significant. This isn't related to progressive rendering; the decoder is just slow. There's some suggestion that the Apple implementation is running on a single core, so maybe there's room for improvement.

      > JPEG XL support in Safari actually comes from the underlying OS rather than the browser. My guess is that Apple is considering using JPEG XL for iPhone photo storage rather than HEIC, and JPEG XL's inclusion in the browser is a bit of an afterthought. I'm just guessing though.

      > The implementation that was in Chromium behind a flag did support progressive rendering to some degree, but it didn't render anything until ~60 kB (39% of the file). The rendering is similar to the initial JPEG rendering above, but takes much more image data to get there. This is a weakness in the decoder rather than the format itself. I'll dive into what JPEG XL is capable of shortly.

      > I also tested the performance of the old behind-a-flag Chromium JPEG XL decoder, and it's over 500% slower (6x) to decode than AVIF. The old behind-a-flag Firefox JPEG XL decoder is about as slow as the Safari decoder. It's not fair to judge the performance of experimental unreleased things, but I was kinda hoping one of these would suggest that the Safari implementation was an outlier.

      > I thought that "fast decoding" was one of the selling points of JPEG XL over AVIF, but now I'm not so sure.

      > We have a Rust implementation of JPEG XL underway in Firefox, but performance needs to get a lot better before we can land it."

      [0]: https://jakearchibald.com/2025/present-and-future-of-progres...

      • quentindanjou 1 hour ago
        I am curious, isn't AVIF also taking advantage of the hardware decoding democratized by AV1?
    • F3nd0 2 hours ago
      Because JPEG XL is the first format to actually bring significant improvements across the board. In some aspects AVIF comes close, in others it falls far behind, and in some it can’t even compete. There’s just nothing else like JPEG XL and I think it deserves to be supported everywhere as a truly universal image codec.
    • Socket-232 2 hours ago
      Why use AVIF when JPEG XL is much better and in a few weeks almost universally supported?
  • rhdunn 2 hours ago
    Works in ladybird as well.
  • dlcarrier 3 hours ago
    Are there any up-to-date WebKit browsers for Android? The best I could find was Lightning, but it hasn't been updated in years.

    Edit: I found A Lightning fork called Fulguris. It didn't work with the JPEG XL test image, but I really like the features and customizability. It's now my default browser on Android.

    • zamadatix 3 hours ago
      The closest thing I know of is Igalia has a project trying to port https://wpewebkit.org/ to Android https://github.com/Igalia/wpe-android and they have a minibrowser example apk in the releases of the current state (but I wouldn't call it a Chrome drop in replacement or anything at the moment - just the closest thing I know on Android).
    • TingPing 3 hours ago
      WPE can be built for Android, but it’s not a user facing browser.
  • ajdude 3 hours ago
    > this means only Safari will display the image, as far as I know.

    Works fine for me in Orion on both desktop and mobile ( https://orionbrowser.com ).

    • seanclayton 2 hours ago
      Which makes sense as Orion uses the same engine as Safari.
  • gary_0 3 hours ago
    If I download the image, Fedora KDE shows it properly in Dolphin and Gwenview.
  • samtheDamned 2 hours ago
    A rare win for gnome web over firefox here
  • antonyh 3 hours ago
    Epiphany (aka Gnome Web) on Linux shows this correctly, as expected for a Webkit-based browser.
  • hotsalad 2 hours ago
    I enabled image.jxl.enabled in LibreWolf and works. It doesn't work in Firefox Beta, though?
    • Frenchgeek 1 hour ago
      There's a jpeg xl viewer extension available for firefox.
  • reef_sh 4 hours ago
    On Waterfox. Image displays fine.
  • sailfast 3 hours ago
    Works on FireFox Focus on mobile, FWIW. (Latest iOS)
    • cdmckay 2 hours ago
      That’s because it uses the WebKit renderer built in to iOS
  • jbverschoor 3 hours ago
    Cannot see it with lockdown mode iOS
  • Redster 2 hours ago
    I can see the image just fine on Thorium!
  • ChrisArchitect 3 hours ago
    Related:

    Chromium Has Merged JpegXL

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46597927

  • cubefox 1 hour ago
    According to CanIUse, no browser implementation currently supports progressive decoding [1]. This is unfortunate, since progressive decoding theoretically is a major advantage of JPEG XL over AVIF, which doesn't allow it in principle, even though ordinary JPEG allows it. But apparently even a default (non-progressive) JPEG XL allows some limited form of progressive decoding [2]. It's unclear whether browsers support it though.

    1: https://caniuse.com/jpegxl

    2: https://youtube.com/watch?v=inQxEBn831w

  • blell 4 hours ago
    Alright, that image made be really miss Lenna as an example image.
    • volemo 3 hours ago
      I understand why people avoid it now; however, having not seen the uncropped version for a long time initially, I have only warm associations.
  • Imustaskforhelp 3 hours ago
    On zen. It works.
  • jordemort 3 hours ago
    Works in Waterfox (6.6.8)
  • PlatoIsADisease 4 hours ago
    Yep, doesnt work on firefox or chrome.
  • adzm 3 hours ago
    Honestly I was hoping for a page showing off more of jpeg xl features rather than just a single image
  • oldcoot 3 hours ago
    Looks like it works in Brave
    • mdasen 3 hours ago
      Weird, doesn't work in Brave (macOS) for me. Did you enable a setting? Brave says it's up to date when I check.
    • iberator 3 hours ago
      Doesn't work for me on Brave on Android