A Periodic Map of Cheese

(cheesemap.netlify.app)

94 points | by sfrechtling 3 hours ago

27 comments

  • themonsu 1 hour ago
    I don't know if it's just me, but having built enough websites with AI tools, I'm 99% sure this site has been built with AI. Nothing wrong with that, but the AI look makes me doubt the content is also just put together by AI.
    • compass_copium 53 minutes ago
      I dunno, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool, certified AI hater, and even I don't really care if this is AI or not. The cheeses I am aware of match their descriptions well, and if AI let some guy make this in like fifteen minutes so I can read this silly, fun site on the toilet at work, that's fine to me.
      • themonsu 30 minutes ago
        AI definitely could be used for something worse than categorizing cheese, I just recognize that the moment I see a page is AI-generated, my motivation to consume the content of the page drops.
    • wiremine 42 minutes ago
      I totally agree: This feels like Claude Code created it. It's the new, AI version of "It was clearly built with Bootstrap"

      As a cheese lover, I don't care too much. :-)

      • paganel 30 minutes ago
        As a fellow cheese lover I would have loved for more geographical diversity, especially when it comes to sheep cheese. Ok, it didn't include Romanian telemea (I'm Romanian myself), but it could have at least gone for the Greek feta. Some Anatolian or Middle Eastern varieties would have also helped.

        [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemea

    • yokoprime 54 minutes ago
      Agreed. This looks exactly like something I would get with the prompt "make me av website with the periodic table of cheese"
  • Insanity 14 minutes ago
    I really like cheese, but I'm also vegetarian. It would be a useful feature to mark which cheese is vegetarian on this visualization. I know it's not the point of the website, but it'd be a nice bonus :)
    • loganc2342 8 minutes ago
      Excuse my ignorance, but is there any reason any cheese on here wouldn't be vegetarian?
      • rkomorn 5 minutes ago
        Lots of cheese is curdled using rennet, which can come from stomachs of killed calves.
  • MinimalAction 1 hour ago
    The idea is cool, but I have become personally allergic to AI generated content and styles. This one is pretty surely built using Claude.
  • wouldbecouldbe 30 minutes ago
    Seems like all dutch cheeses are just grouped under gouda, fine but there are plenty of extra hard, hard, semi-hard, semi goat cheeses. Same with the cow cheeses.

    See hard goat cheese example, its delicious https://www.goudsekaasshop.nl/geitenkaas-oud-1-kilo.html?gad...

  • GuB-42 1 hour ago
    Bloomy-Rind Buffalo is actually not rare at all, at least in France and Italy. I can find it in grocery stores.

    Look for "Camembert di Bufala". It tastes as described in the website.

    Also, while I can't think of hard goat cheese in the same way as Parmigiano-Reggiano, small Crottin-style goat cheese age well in the right conditions. For example, Pelardon can be sold at various stages: fresh, creamy, dry. The very aged kind can exceed a year and looks a bit like a cookie: hard, brownish, much smaller than the fresh kind because it lost most of its moisture. But it doesn't taste at all like a cookie, it is very strong, enough to numb your tongue, you can grate it if you want to.

  • goosejuice 2 hours ago
    Curiously missing human milk source. Not that I advise it.

    Big fan of the thistle + sheep cheeses. Queso de la Serena and Azeitao are fantastic and very interesting.

    Quadrello makes a great grilled cheese.

    • fcpk 1 hour ago
      human milk is pretty delicious?
      • radiorental 24 minutes ago
        I'm fairly certain at some point very early in your career you thought so! You may have even cried out for it in public!!
    • globular-toast 1 hour ago
      It's missing loads of other mammals too, like seals and whales which are often over 60% fat.
      • eulgro 39 minutes ago
        At what point does milk become oil?
  • stared 53 minutes ago
    Memorandum: please do not use the word "periodic" for things which are not periodic

    Other suitable choices: chart, classification, taxonomy, visualization, table, map, etc, etc.

  • Freak_NL 31 minutes ago
    Completely wrong about the harder goat milk cheeses.

    I can get a variety of goat's cheese at my local cheesemongers, including really old goat so hard it crumbles. So extra-hard goat is not a gap.

    I wouldn't call the hard goat rare either, it's available in every larger Dutch supermarket; we're not talking casu martzu level of rare here.

  • comrade1234 37 minutes ago
    Really surprised to see Sbrinz. I didn't think it ever made it outside Switzerland. It's like Parmesan but objectively better - with sbrinz only organic milk is used while with Parmesan Italian farmers use antibiotics by default. Sbrinz has more milk fat and is aged longer. It's so much better and we use it all the time here.
  • densekernel 1 hour ago
    I was so hoping for a period table with elements like Ch, Br, Pa
  • Galanwe 1 hour ago
    I am shocked that soft and fresh cheese are conflated in the same category. Both the texture and process are different. Brie is nothing like Ricotta.
  • lkm0 1 hour ago
    Why put comté and gruyère in two different categories? I just realized that in France the categorization of cheeses is closer to how they are prepared:

    - fresh

    - soft

    - hard but not cooked

    - hard and cooked

    and it results in entirely different groupings. This will surely make some people unhappy.

  • jmward01 41 minutes ago
    I don't care what tools built this. This site is why I still have faith in the internet.
  • bibstha 1 hour ago
    > Yak Milk Gruyère

    > If a Nepali dairy cooperative partnered with an Alpine affineur, this could be extraordinary — dense, butterscotch-rich, with a savory depth that cow milk can't match.

    I believe Himalayan French Cheese is doing this already. https://www.facebook.com/himalayanfrenchcheese/

  • AgentNews 1 hour ago
    We've forgotten the crackers! https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nwwu6GpCTBg
  • monooso 29 minutes ago
    A surprising lack of feta.
  • haunter 1 hour ago
    Brie and ricotta in the same category :D

    That isntantly invalidates the whole thing

  • chaidhat 1 hour ago
    Can't deer make cheese? Why is it specific to Reindeer?
    • compass_copium 52 minutes ago
      It's limited to domesticized animals.
    • aksss 26 minutes ago
      Have you ever tried milking a moose?
  • zeristor 2 hours ago
    Perhaps cheese from Mad Max: Fury Road Mother’s milk.

    Theoretically Lions etc, could be milked. As could some whales.

    This is left as an exercise for the reader.

    • dhosek 1 hour ago
      Quotes from two bits of entertainment come to mind:

      Monty Python Cheese Shop sketch:

      C: Paper Cramer,

      O: no

      C: Danish Bimbo,

      O: no

      C: Czech sheep’s milk,

      O: no

      C: Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?

      O: Not today, sir, no.

      And Meet the Parents:

      Greg Focker: You can milk just about anything with nipples.

      Jack Byrnes: I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?

    • goosejuice 2 hours ago
      When I was behind the cheese case quite awhile ago, we had a customer who misunderstood Wales as Whales. A good laugh was had.

      "How do they milk the whales!?"

      • dhosek 1 hour ago
        SCUBA gear, obviously.
  • ivaivanova 2 hours ago
    Would love to learn more about how to put this together?
    • flir 1 hour ago
      The "Fantasy, but the chemistry works" phrasing in the last box on the first tab makes me suspect chatbot input.

      Which is a pity, because I like the exhaustive structure. I just can't trust it. But I guess if I was going to dive into inventing weird cheeses, I wouldn't start with a blog post anyway.

      (It would be so easy to generate 50k "Periodic table of <noun>" pages and just throw them into the wild. The public internet really is cooked, isn't it).

  • gowld 1 hour ago
    I don't know why Submitter added the incorrect "periodic" modifier to the title.
  • ChrisArchitect 2 hours ago
    Aside: why do all these "Index of.." or "Map of..." dataset compilation sites lately all have the same beige color scheme and font look?
    • lukeasch21 1 hour ago
      I suspect the surface level answer has something to do with AI, but I would be curious to know the deeper factors at play. Do all popular models gravitate towards the same frameworks and design patterns? As an aside, I'm a little bit suspect of this account having no activity since 2019 and then posting this. Hopefully I'm just overthinking things.
    • desmondwillow 1 hour ago
      Claude prefers it.
  • coke12 2 hours ago
    What about human cheese?
  • jrm4 1 hour ago
    I like how "soft to hard" makes sense as a gradient, which is often the flaw in new "periodic tables," but, for anyone who might know, does Cow to Reindeer make any sense here as a gradient? I'm guessing not?
  • chakintosh 1 hour ago
    I hate how I can now tell a website is made with claude within 2s of looking at it.
    • yreg 1 hour ago
      It looks good, but since the design is becoming so ubiquitous in the small personal projects space (elsewhere as well, but I think it is most noticeable here) it is also boring.

      I've vibecoded a few websites for my own use that look very similar to this. If I designed them myself, I would (in those cases) not put up enough effort so they would be much less refined, but also less boring?

      edit: The expand/collapse behaviour of the table cells is quite strange. So the design is not that okay, afterall.

    • l3x4ur1n 1 hour ago
      But, if the information is factual, does it matter if it is designed and coded by Claude? I was interested in information, not really the website design.
      • ungreased0675 28 minutes ago
        The challenge is in knowing how factual the information is. Might be unfair, but in my head people using AI to quickly make a thing are very unlikely to spend a lot of time validating and verifying information. The time saved could be spent making sure it’s legit, but that rarely happens.
    • dust42 1 hour ago
      That website is so low effort that 2s is actually long to figure it out. Very sure that it is robot upvoted.

      Edit: I live in the cheese triangle, France - Switzerland - Italy.

      • yreg 1 hour ago
        Not everyone votes based on effort. The idea might be interesting to people and provoke discussion no matter how much time OP (?) spent creating it.
  • globular-toast 1 hour ago
    Nice. At first I thought there must have a dimension missing as it put things like brie and ricotta together. But then I noticed you can choose different dimensions, and there's more than just one more dimension!

    I like cheese but I am concerned about the ethics of it so I eat far less than I could. If you make cheese it's quite shocking how much milk you need to make a single portion of it. I make paneer sometimes and use the whey to make chapati. I wish I could be sure the milk I consume doesn't harm the cows. I also know they take the calves away and kill them too.

  • croisillon 1 hour ago
    not a periodic map ; sounded promising but the text is just AI slop