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  • dbingham 18 minutes ago
    Lots of people asking "Why?". They say so right on their site: There are big changes happening in the technology industry and they are acting pro-actively to ensure the workers have a strong collective voice in the ways the foundation chooses to respond to those changes.

    "The Wikimedia Foundation and the broader technology and nonprofit sectors are navigating a period of significant change. From rapid advances in artificial intelligence to evolving organizational priorities and external pressures, and changing patterns of readership and discovery, the decisions being made today will shape our workplace for years to come. Our union members believe this is the right moment to establish a lasting, legally recognized voice in those conversations. Rather than waiting until difficult decisions are made, we are organizing now to help build a stronger Foundation that can meet future challenges through collaboration, transparency, and shared stewardship."

    https://wikiworkersunited.org/faq/

    • Arubis 4 minutes ago
      This is the right move. Unionise when things are good enough that labor can take a hit and keep standing, or when they’re so bad that people might actually die. Either way labor has a strong BATNA.

      Right now a lost of software work is kinda in the middle; it’s not very secure and labor isn’t confident and doesn’t have a lot of great, easy alternatives, but by and large getting food on the table tomorrow isn’t an open question.

  • tux3 48 minutes ago
    Short statement from the WMF in response: https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2026/09/03/us-staff-uni...

    They seem to say they'll accept the outcome and pledge to engage in good-faith. Which is the only correct response, really, so time will tell if these words are more than generic PR.

  • cm2012 14 minutes ago
    Everyone wants a piece of the wikipedia gravy train.

    In 2010: Wikimedia Foundation annual expenses were about $20m

    In 2025: Wikimedia Foundation annual expenses are about $200m

    The story of Wikipedia of the last 10 years especially is endlessly higher spending for a very stable number of monthly users (1.5b or so). You can make the case that 80% of this spend is not necessary to what the average users donating to Wikipedia think of as "wikipedia".

    It makes sense for the employees to want to lock in their share of the bag.

    • cubefox 4 minutes ago
      Exactly. The WMF spending growth is completely decoupled from its effect on Wikipedia. This only works because the donations pop-up makes people think they are donating to Wikipedia, not to a foundation which mostly does totally unrelated stuff. There is no feedback loop which would limit this spending toward the core aspects of Wikipedia.
  • spindump8930 1 hour ago
    Commenters in these discussions always confuse wikipedia editors with Wikimedia employees - this is the latter!
    • Waterluvian 1 hour ago
      Are editors employees in any formal way or are they closer to Reddit moderators? Or editors as in anyone, ie. Reddit posters?
      • tux3 58 minutes ago
        Anyone can edit Wikipedia, editors are not employees. Even the admins are not employees.

        (As far as I know you only have to sign any kind of formal documents if you have one of the few roles (as a non-employee) where you may have access to sensitive personal data, which is very few people.)

        • Waterluvian 19 minutes ago
          Yeah makes sense. I was wondering if there was special meaning to “editor” that made it non obvious that they wouldn’t be unionized.
    • v1z 1 hour ago
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  • pwillia7 23 minutes ago
    Hell yeah -- and on labor day weekend too.
  • iamnothere 26 minutes ago
    As long as they don’t attempt to force the editorial side of Wikipedia to implement an ideological slant, or otherwise interfere with the NPOV policy, more power to them.
    • transcriptase 19 minutes ago
      The NPOV policy has just lead to alternate ways to keep things aligned to the region that most prolific editors/contributors would occupy on an idealogical quadrant.

      It’s similar to the way traditional media outlets that pride themselves on not being partisan in what they say, simply exert their bias via what they either don’t cover or inconvenient context/facts they leave out. The writing itself is seemingly neutral, except for the part where if they included the stories or details that run counter to their belief system, their readers might come to a problematic conclusion.

      • iamnothere 5 minutes ago
        Are you saying it would be better to pick a specific ideological slant? If so, which one?

        I am well aware of the existing Wiki slant, it’s certainly not perfect especially on highly political articles. But an imperfect attempt at NPOV seems better than no attempt at all.

  • NoImmatureAdHom 26 minutes ago
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  • echelon 52 minutes ago
    Is Wikipedia a bad place to work or something?

    I'd imagine it must be pretty relaxed/cushy, albeit probably at the lower end of market comp for software jobs in particular.

    Does the union stipulate the workers cannot be replaced with AI?

    • delichon 45 minutes ago
      > Does the union stipulate the workers cannot be replaced with AI?

      That wouldn't get them off the hook.

      https://unitedagenticworkers.org/

    • collinmcnulty 37 minutes ago
      > I'd imagine it must be pretty relaxed/cushy, albeit probably at the lower end of market comp for software jobs in particular.

      Based on what?

    • hobofan 37 minutes ago
      Unions are not just for bad employers.
      • cm2012 21 minutes ago
        Yes nowadays new unions are basically for employers who have a very ideologically liberal workplace - coffee shops, open source, etc
    • colechristensen 36 minutes ago
      Right? If your logo[1] is going to be a fist raised in defiance you'd better at least have something you're trying to fight about. And if you're going to brag about succeeding in your vote at least give an idea about WHY you want a union in the first place.

      There are unionization attempts I understand like Amazon warehouse workers and unionization attempts that I don't like the Minneapolis small coffee chain workers whose demands included being able to decide the milk supplier. One seems like standing up for necessary rights, the other seems like cosplay.

      1. https://wikiworkersunited.org/

      • kstrauser 5 minutes ago
        How severe should your workplace grievance be before you’re allowed to decide to protest? Are only coal miners allowed to grouse about their jobs?
      • NoImmatureAdHom 25 minutes ago
        Yeah, I posted before I saw your comment here but "cosplay" is a good word for it.
      • kotaKat 15 minutes ago
        a quote, slightly modified:

        a tiny fraction of [wikimedia foundation] employees appropriating the language of exploited coal miners while enjoying the most privileged, white collar work experience in human history should not be the subject of glowing press. this isn't a union, it's a LARP. and it's offensive.

        • dwb 7 minutes ago
          This is divide-and-conquer rhetoric from someone who doesn’t want labour power. Workers would be much better off if we all stood together no matter how much we were paid or what our conditions were.
  • declan_roberts 35 minutes ago
    These unions don't even fight against H-1B, what's the point when when your employer can slowly replace you with a worker they have dramatically more control over?