12 comments

  • TheGamerUncle 44 minutes ago
    Funny how American authorities did not do much about "antifa" and A/I and only acted once it was clear they were going against Zionist interests...

    This is shameful and the Dutch should be also ashamed to act as lap dogs.

    • MSFT_Edging 41 minutes ago
      We still have White Nationalists in khakis and masks rolling up in rented trucks to harass people based on race and creed.

      One group threatens property damage, the other people damage.

      One of them is considered a terrorist org.

    • samyum 3 minutes ago
      The whole world does not revolve around Zionism
    • tamimio 14 minutes ago
      >To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize
      • snapcaster 8 minutes ago
        I guess we're ruled by disabled people and our colleagues babies?
        • weatherlite 6 minutes ago
          I'm ruled by my wife's weight
        • bakugo 6 minutes ago
          Pretty sure the police won't come after you for criticizing disabled people or your colleagues' babies.
        • tamimio 5 minutes ago
          You can’t criticize whoever rule over you =/= everyone you can’t criticize is ruling over you.
    • JumpCrisscross 14 minutes ago
      > how American authorities did not do much about "antifa"

      What are you talking about, antifa has been a Trump bugbear since his first term.

    • gvfsa 37 minutes ago
      What makes you think the Dutch government isn’t also occupied by Zionists?
      • _ache_ 24 minutes ago
        If you claim that, you have to back it up.

        Otherwise, assuming there are Zionists everywhere is borderline antisemitic.

        • gvfsa 18 minutes ago
          It’s 2026; trying to conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism is not going to work anymore.
          • tarkin2 1 minute ago
            Avoiding the question and refusing the back up your claim may also not work.
          • pydry 1 minute ago
            In 2026 it's pretty much an open expression of islamophobia.
          • plus 7 minutes ago
            Claiming “Zionist infiltration” of the government is not the same thing as criticizing Israel.
          • yonisto 5 minutes ago
            But it is.
          • SpicyLemonZest 10 minutes ago
            If you mean well, you should know that the specific term “Zionist occupied government” originated as part of an antisemitic conspiracy theory. To avoid confusion you should use different phrasing; something like “the government supports Israel” would express your meaning just as well.
        • yawpitch 14 minutes ago
          One of these days we as a species really need to learn that Zionism and Semitism are not the same Venn circle.

          Not all Zionists are Semitic (or even Jewish) and not all Semites (or even Jews) are Zionists.

          Now, it’s obviously extremely easy to conflate Zionism with Semitism, and vice versa, which is a trap both the actual antisemites and those most likely to point and yell “antisemite” seem wont to fall into.

          Personally I’d call that borderline antisemitic, since in either case it’s conflating an ethno-nationalist political agenda with both an ethnicity and a nationality that may not subscribe to or support that political agenda at all.

        • JumpCrisscross 13 minutes ago
          > assuming there are Zionists everywhere is borderline antisemitic

          It’s more just basic conspiracy theorizing. Assuming there is a secret group in charge of world affairs is a lot more comforting than facing the reality that we’re careening towards political anarchy on multiple continents. I don’t think one need be anti-Semitic to subscribe to that system.

          • weatherlite 7 minutes ago
            > Assuming there is a secret group in charge of world affairs

            Ah and it just so happens to be the Jews again, gee what a shocker never heard that before. And no , not antisemitic at all!

  • riedel 14 minutes ago
    Headline seems to be a bit strange as the A/I collective has dissolved officially as of September 18. The history of events can be followed here [0]

    [0] https://keepitfree.ai/

  • citywide-fondue 58 minutes ago
    I am a bit surprised to hear that the U.S. government can still order around Dutch police like a butler. Maybe the Dutch regime is struggling to actually effectively decouple themselves from the U.S.? Would love to hear an expert weigh in.
    • citywide-fondue 4 minutes ago
      Replying to myself: my current theory is that the Dutch regime weighed the risk of political potential blowback from the U.S. (specifically executive office), and did not consider it worthwhile protecting the final servers of a group that is winding down anyways.

      Again, would love to hear a domain expert weigh in! Also because I walk past this data center every day :)

    • teekert 6 minutes ago
      The Dutch are with 17 million people and all our stuff runs on MS. Even a judge from the international criminal court had an Amazon Echo in her living room. We, on average, don't know and don't care.

      All this sovereignty stuff is still quite contained in our nerd bubble I feel.

    • verdverm 41 minutes ago
      ASML weighs in on this, they get a key component from the US (a lens iirc). There is no real possibility of complete decoupling in the modern world. You would have to go back to a much less modern world for true decoupling.
      • impossiblefork 20 minutes ago
        Light source, not lens.
      • KK7NIL 31 minutes ago
        Wow, what a bad take.

        The EUV lenses are made by Zeiss in Germany AFAIK. But to even suggest that ASML is dictating US-Dutch diplomacy, two NATO members with similar values and goals, is hilariously off.

        • verdverm 27 minutes ago
          I heard the lens thing from another HN comment, it looks like that person misremembered lens vs light source.

          > The light source as a whole is engineered by Cymer, a San Diego company ASML bought in 2013 specifically to control this piece.

          https://www.makesureiknowit.com/blog/who-supplies-asml

          I'm not suggesting dictation, just that there are deep ties in the global supply chain that make decoupling impossible.

          but wow, way to read way too much into this and extrapolate into hyperbole?

          • citywide-fondue 15 minutes ago
            I understand that there are complex global supply chains, but my expectation is A) that these are somewhat mutually beneficial relations and B) that their day-to-day operation is somewhat confined to non-governmental spheres.

            From my reading of the article, it seems like the U.S. was able to order around the police in Amsterdam without going through a system to check if the Dutch government approves of the action. That’s mostly my confusion.

  • illright 39 minutes ago
  • hackermailman 41 minutes ago
    If you remove the paywall and translate it's the A/I group being shut down https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

    The Dutch police imaged the drive, gave it to the Americans and gave the server back to XS4ALL which itself appears to have shutdown too I think

  • meindnoch 23 minutes ago
    A/I? You mean S/I, right?
    • yawpitch 13 minutes ago
      No… definitely not. No one who is demonstrably sane means that.
  • ChrisArchitect 37 minutes ago
  • caaqil 20 minutes ago
    Is there really a sovereign country in Europe that runs its own shit and is not subservient to Uncle Sam?
  • chabes 1 hour ago
    Confisquates?
    • rdtsc 54 minutes ago
      > Confisquates?

      Confiscates / seized. Pretty sure a french speaking poster mistranslated. It's "confisquer" in french.

      • jeroenhd 18 minutes ago
        Nope, am Dutch, just can't spell, oops