USPS now offers official ZIP Code boundary polygons

(postalpro.usps.com)

63 points | by munro 50 minutes ago

12 comments

  • johnnyo 9 minutes ago
    If this is govt-owned data, shouldn’t it be available with a FOIA request or similar?

    Can someone with expertise in govt data rights explain? Do any other US govt agencies sell data to the private sector?

    • ks2048 3 minutes ago
      Probably because of the silly idea of quasi-privatization,

      > But, beginning in the 1970s, the Postal Service largely stopped receiving any taxpayer money for ongoing operations. Postal operations are instead funded by sales to you, the postal customer. Now it depends almost entirely on sales to keep the lights on.

      https://www.uspsoig.gov/focus-areas/did-you-know/postal-serv...

  • showerst 18 minutes ago
    I thought these were going to be free and got so excited.

    FWIW if you're willing to deal with some 'fuzziness' and the occasional missing zip code that's commercial only, the ZCTA shapefiles are free and are close enough for many purposes: https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/g...

  • foxfired 22 minutes ago
    I feel like this should be public. I wonder what would be the repercussion of a gofundme to buy it once and make it publicly available. There aren't many downsides of updating every couple years.
    • uqual 15 minutes ago
      https://postalpro.usps.com/ZCB_License would seem to prevent such a use/distribution of the data.
    • garciasn 20 minutes ago
      There are plenty of 'good enough' options that are free; just ignore the USPS' offerings unless you ABSOLUTELY have to match them 1:1 for business reasons.
  • ortusdux 15 minutes ago
    I'm sure their system has its faults, but I find shipping to the UK via postal code quite easy.

    "A full postcode identifies a group of addresses (typically around ten) or a major delivery point."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcodes_in_the_United_Kingdo...

    • cjs_ac 1 minute ago
      Interestingly, there are no polygons for UK postcodes, because UK postcodes don’t represent a geographical area; instead, they represent one or more discrete points.
    • reaperducer 9 minutes ago
      "A full postcode identifies a group of addresses (typically around ten) or a major delivery point."

      The United States can be more granular, as a "full postcode" equivalent in the United States is ZIP+4, which can resolve down to an individual building, mailbox, or person, depending on the characteristics of the location.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_Code#ZIP+4

      • twodave 5 minutes ago
        And even for those where it isn’t one exact person/box there is a 2 digit delivery point code that often is included on the end.
  • konfusinomicon 14 minutes ago
    bottom line is that this should be open source and available on the US governments dataset website.
  • jackconsidine 21 minutes ago
    Seeing enterprise

    We use https://github.com/OpenDataDE/State-zip-code-GeoJSON - it's from 2010, but open it in Claude and use the free-to-download data source to regen from the most recent census.

  • Hnrobert42 3 minutes ago
    For everyone saying it should be free, the USPS charges for services. They charge to deliver mail.

    Cut them some slack. They are supposed to be budget neutral. It is difficult to do when A) they have to compete with the private sector while adhering to public sector rules and B) being sabotaged by Trump's postmaster general appointee.

  • mzagaja 21 minutes ago
    As someone who has done tons of geospatial work I hate this. A ZIP code was never technically a geospatial boundary. Being "inside" a boundary does not guarantee you have that ZIP code, just that the space is surrounded by a bunch of postal delivery addresses bearing the ZIP code.
    • konfusinomicon 1 minute ago
      most people dont know that zip codes are specific to the postal service and dont have anything to do with actual municipal government boundaries. the hierarchy of geo boundaries and the ways to locate and communicate within them is way more interesting than one would believe!
    • biker142541 15 minutes ago
      Polygons do have value in some workflows, if used with the appropriate caveats.

      And in no instances have I ever run across use cases where these are worth paying any substantial money for. If USPS is going to jump into the fray here, really bad look (and probably net negative revenue for them) to offer as a paid product.

  • untessela 41 minutes ago
    starting at $10k
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  • readthenotes1 20 minutes ago
    The USPS is losing money hand over fist delivering the unwanted junk mail and Christmas cards we throw away once the tree is put away.

    I don't think this will stop the bleed, but maybe it'll help that they are charging??

    • exogenousdata 2 minutes ago
      Structural changes are required for then USPS to be financially stable. Chief among them is modifying the Universal Service Obligation (USO).

      For far too long, private shipping/logistics firms like UPS & FedEx unfairly take advantage of the requirement by the USPS to deliver mail six days a week to over 160 million addresses at uniform, affordable rates. UPS/FedEx will receive the package and do the long haul. But then instead of driving the package to a final residential doorstep themselves (incurring high residential and fuel surcharges), they drop it off at a local USPS branch or regional hub. USPS letter carriers complete the final-mile delivery to the recipient's home or P.O. Box. It's literally part of their business model. UPS calls it 'UPS Ground Saver' and FedEx calls it 'FedEx Ground Economy'.

      These hybrid services typically cost 20% to 40% less than standard UPS Ground or FedEx Ground. It takes longer to ship but UPS/FedEx bypass the steep residential delivery fees (often $6.45–$6.50+ per package) that private carriers charge for dropping off at houses rather than businesses. Also, it's the only way to deliver to PO Boxes because standard UPS and FedEx ground services don't do directly.

      This is classic example of capitalism where private companies 'keep profits and socialize losses'. The 5% annual dividend paid by FedEx every year to shareholders is paid for by American tax-payers funding the last-mile delivery of packages at dirt cheap rates.

    • reaperducer 5 minutes ago
      The USPS is losing money hand over fist delivering the unwanted junk mail

      The fact that you think the Postal Service loses money delivering junk mail shows that you don't have any idea what's going on.

      Junk mail is a massive revenue source for the USPS. According to the congressmen I've spoken with (Yes, I actually have done that), junk mail is hugely revenue positive, which is why it's allowed to continue.

      USPS' financial problems largely have to do with pensions and other non-delivery issues.

      https://www.gao.gov/blog/us-postal-service-losing-money-what...

    • konfusinomicon 10 minutes ago
      blame EDDM, aka junk mail, aka physical SPAM that you can not opt out of. its a jobs program that I suppose also benefits the paper product recycling industry
    • whalesalad 16 minutes ago
      i have a hole in my pool... thousands of gallons per day are draining into the neighbors yard

      oh, so are you having someone come out to patch the hole and fix it?

      no, the hole is still there. we are spending 3k per month to get a water delivery truck to refill the pool.

  • whalesalad 17 minutes ago
    of course they are going to try and monetize this. that's trump's america.
    • biker142541 14 minutes ago
      Try is the key word. It won't work.
    • konfusinomicon 9 minutes ago
      this data has been monetized for decades