A false smoke alarm almost drowned Jane Street's only NYC datacenter

(michael.bacarella.com)

119 points | by mbac32768 1 hour ago

16 comments

  • reticulates 41 minutes ago
    The article reminds me of when Hurricane Sandy took out a bunch of New York DCs with 3+ feet of water and people were carrying diesel up stairs to keep generators running.

    “The superhuman folks at the data center are hauling 55 gallon drums of diesel fuel up 17 flights of stairs. Assuming they're able to sustain a rate of transfer that exceeds the rate of consumption, the data center should run until electricity is restored. The latest estimate from Con Edison for lower Manhattan is 4 days. (The New York Stock Exchange will be open tomorrow, also running on generator power.)”

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4720388 (https://web.archive.org/web/20121101194314/http://status.fog...)

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/how-o...

    • mbac32768 1 minute ago
      My colleague Brett has a Hurricane Sandy story about Jane Street as well

      https://x.com/BrettHarrison/status/2117636364304892206

    • asdff 4 minutes ago
      Why the hell did they park the generators on the 17th floor where people have to hand carry diesel fuel is the real question.
      • IncreasePosts 1 minute ago
        You put them up there so you get a voltage boost from the gravity pushing the electricity down. Put the generators on the ground floor, and by the time the electricity reached the top, there would be a voltage drop.
    • skinfaxi 37 minutes ago
      Diesel is ~7lbs/gallon. That is truly superhuman damn.
    • HighGoldstein 33 minutes ago
      I wonder how well these "superhuman folks" were paid
      • timacles 30 minutes ago
        It was a bunch of quants so very well
        • bigbinary 20 minutes ago
          I’d haul 55 gallon drums of diesel for measly 1.5m a year
          • Forgeties79 13 minutes ago
            You’ll need that money for the back surgery
  • hackermailman 55 minutes ago
    In the article he talks about living within a few minutes walk to work and telling too many people so they made him the emergency office guy. Same thing happened to me, foolishly told everyone hey I can see my apartment from here so I would get panicked calls to run in and shut down servers because the information security guy got a tip of an impending exploit about to be released on a holiday weekend with no way to do it remotely. Everyone else lived a ferry ride or commuter train away.
    • NooneAtAll5 26 minutes ago
      did you at least ask for pay increase?
      • tombert 15 minutes ago
        Not the person you asked, but I've learned that if you're not careful about what you tell your employers and/or coworkers that it will almost invariably come back to haunt you in the form of unpaid labor.

        It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that (my 30's), and now I keep my conversations with my coworkers very utilitarian and divulge minimal information about myself. I try not to be a dick or anything, I'm polite enough, but pretty much everything I talk about is either directly relevant to work and/or so surface level as to border on "vapid".

        • lukan 1 minute ago
          I've learned that life is what you make of it. If you let yourself be used - others will use you. But if you showed your worth, but also showed others that you know your worth - things are different.

          (otherwise where I work, I also avoid talking about politics for instance, but this is a different theme)

  • rdl 23 minutes ago
    Odd that they didn't have at minimum 1) a physical Emergency Power Off (EPO) button inside the datacenter, such that one button could de-energize everything -- usually required as part of building a datacenter due to code variance for the "low voltage" (<4000V in this context...) wiring. 2) EPO interlink to the smoke alarms, such that it would de-energize equipment automatically (maybe with delay) if smoke detected.
  • rhipitr 6 minutes ago
    I thought these data centers have a way to pump in a gas that prevents fires? Remember touring a data center at some point that has this ability.
    • wombat-man 0 minutes ago
      That's how the server room at my school worked. They said to get out of there if the alarm went off because the room would fill with some inert gas and you'd suffocate.
  • sciurus 16 minutes ago
    I wonder why the answer was to turn off the servers instead of turn their cooling back on. Would it not be able to stabilize the temperature fast enough?
  • mvcosta91 31 minutes ago
    TIL: wabi-sabi. I’ve been trying to find a way to express the beauty of imperfection in the age of AI, and this fits perfectly.
    • kridsdale1 24 minutes ago
      It’s extremely common and cliche for people to use that term for imperfect stuff these days.
    • TechSquidTV 4 minutes ago
      God dangit Bobby
  • demillort 15 minutes ago
    Man, I wish MOC were still alive. I’d love to know his take on this story.
  • wolvoleo 43 minutes ago
    How is it the only datacenter?

    33 Thomas St is basically one huge datacenter, that's why it doesn't have any windows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_Thomas_Street

    • advisedwang 32 minutes ago
      It's Jane Street's only datacenter. not the only one in NYC. As they explain, they chose to specially locate their datacenter.
    • maronato 31 minutes ago
      The headline is confusing. It’s Jane Street’s only data center in NYC, not NYC’s only data center.
    • dklsf 41 minutes ago
      This was pre-Hurricane Sandy, so before 2012. I'm guessing data centers have grown since then
    • kccqzy 35 minutes ago
      Jane Street’s only NYC data center. Not the only data center in general.
    • lelandfe 41 minutes ago
      Work nearby, it looks just as evil in person.
  • stephbook 9 minutes ago
    > a false smoke alarm, a datacenter with no cooling, and a sprint to pull every power cord before the sprinklers went off

    I smell AI

  • LPisGood 14 minutes ago
    I am shocked to hear they do not use foam.
  • lostmsu 14 minutes ago
    Alarm firmware wasn't programmed in OCaml
  • defmetrix 18 minutes ago
    He earned his bonus that year.
  • arjgoel30 18 minutes ago
    Wow crazy I didn't know they had such simple systems
  • phplovesong 12 minutes ago
    Is this the the same jane street that did the indian manipulation scam that stole 4 billion from invostor? That jane street?
  • philipwhiuk 25 minutes ago
    Almost too close to 'Pool on the roof must have a leak' to be real ;)
  • rshnotsecure 51 minutes ago
    Surprised they even had sprinklers set up. Historically, things that avoid moisture like Halon Gas [1] have been used.

    [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromotrifluoromethane

    • advisedwang 31 minutes ago
      Likey codes or building management wouldn't let them make the necessary modifications to safely install a Halon system
      • garciasn 21 minutes ago
        Halon systems are banned, at the international and federal level, and have been since the 1990s; so, modern DCs don't and can't use them.
        • advisedwang 0 minutes ago
          There's tons of substitutes, the ban on Halon wouldn't be why Jane St is using water.

          Tons of people use "halon" when they are talking about general inert gas based fire suppression as there's not really a good short word for them otherwise.

    • dklsf 44 minutes ago
      If those go off, they end up destroying hard drives (the spinning kind), due to the sound pressure....

      So fire suppression and data centers don't mix too well

      • shagie 38 minutes ago
        Ahh... the Vax War (bit hard to search for it now... gotta search for the first line). VAXen, my children, just don't belong some places.

        https://www.hack.org/~mc/texts/vaxen-joke.txt

        Realizing that I'm spoiling some of it... but we're here, so some of it is inherently spoiled...

                   The fire alarm klaxon went off and the siren warning
                   of imminent halon gas release was screaming.  We
                   started to panic but the data center manager shouted
                   over the din, "Don't worry, the halon system failed
                   its acceptance test last week. It's disabled and
                   nothing will happen."
         
                   He was half right, the primary halon system indeed
                   failed to discharge. But the secondary halon system
                   observed that the primary had conked and instantly
                   did its duty, which was to deal with Dire Disasters.
                   It had twice the capacity and six times the discharge
                   rate.
      • wolvoleo 34 minutes ago
        They don't have to blow that fast. It can be regulated.

        But yes, I've seen low-O2 installations also. These have other issues though, like no protection when humans need to be in there for maintenance. And the need to be very very careful when reducing it again, making sure everyone is out. It happened to my colleague once that this went wrong and while it's not low enough that you'll die, he wasn't exactly feeling great for the next few hours.

    • mbac32768 45 minutes ago
      Other datacenters we built had them (which scared the shit out of me tbh). I don't remember why this one had to stay on sprinklers.
      • dklsf 42 minutes ago
        Maybe because it was in a normal office building? The gas extinguishers might be too hazardous there
    • hvb2 45 minutes ago
      Or CO2 but that's a life or death situation if there's any people still inside
      • thechao 43 minutes ago
        Halon is not exactly fun to breathe, either.
        • wolvoleo 37 minutes ago
          Especially after it's been in contact with fire, the resulting products are even worse.

          But it's only used in military and aviation these days anyway.

    • gosub100 43 minutes ago
      Probably not safe to use on a floor that has people on it.
      • wolvoleo 41 minutes ago
        We had it at work at a datacenter right beside offices and reception.

        You just have to reinforce the ceiling panels and the windows so they don't get blown out, but it's not really an issue otherwise. It was all certified and regularly checked. Water is indeed a bit counterproductive as it's not really much better than fire for the equipment in there.

        PS: Halon itself is of course gone but it's other less harmful gases these days.

        What also happens is low-oxygen environments (they only raise the O2 when maintenance is being done).